Jesus For President

Posted by Kiel on Jun 25, 2008 in Just Thinking... |
Shane Claiborne

Last night, hundreds of people packed Lockerbie United Methodist Church (UMC) to hear author Shane Claiborne on his latest book tour, Jesus For President.

My friends and I went because we felt it would be interesting to see Shane, as he is an interesting character to say the least. I came in not knowing what to expect. Having read Shane’s last book, Irresistible Revolution, I had a pretty good idea on what Shane’s thoughts would be on politics, but it was still interesting nonetheless.

If I were to describe Shane, I would often think back to the flower children of the ’70s: anti-war, anti-establishment, communal type of thing. This is in no way a bad thing, just trying to give you my impression of Shane.

Shane and his group started out really well, telling the audience about how Jesus came into this world during a big political time and how he handled things. He then went on to talk about politics today, how we handle things, how sometimes we allow patriotism to take presidence over God, how America isn’t a truly Christian nation. One of the quotes that stuck out to me was from Frederick Douglass:

Indeed, I can see no reason, but the most deceitful one, for calling the religion of this land Christianity. I look upon it as the climax of all misnomers, the boldest of all frauds, and the grossest of all libels. Never was there a clearer case of “stealing the livery of the court of heaven to serve the devil in.” I am filled with unutterable loathing when I contemplate the religious pomp and show, together with the horrible inconsistencies, which every where surround me. We have men-stealers for ministers, women-whippers for missionaries, and cradle-plunderers for church members.

– Frederick Douglass, Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass.

One of the things that struck me during the whole time was how almost “anti-government” Shane was. He told us a story about a kid who joined the military because it was the only way he could afford to pay for college. And as this was at boot camp and was handed a gun while standing in formation, he felt the gun getting heavier and heavier. And so this soldier decided to break formation, go to the commanding officer and say, “I feel God does not want me to kill, he wants me to love my enemies.” To which the commanding officer makes this soldier kneel down, have his fellow soldiers march around him and tell him what a “sack of shit looks like.”

The story doesn’t end there. They put this kid in the brig, but didn’t lock the cell, nor did they take away this cell phone. So this kid decided to go AWOL (absent without leave), he deserted the military. I had to ask myself, “is this the kind of witness that we’re giving to the world? Telling drill sergeants that ‘God told me that I don’t belong here’ and then jump ship?”

Photo by Neil Cox, IndyChristian.com


My main issue with this is that there are ways of going about things, especially in the military. There is protocol and ways of going about things. Breaking formation, not properly addressing your superior, and deserting the military is not an honorable way of doing things. As Christians, if we’re going to be the light of the world, we can’t do it by disrespecting those around us. We must be ambassadors for Christ and in order to do that, we must be respectful of others rules, customs, to work through issues.

I would say that for the most part, I appreciate Shane and his viewpoints. That’s the great thing about living in a world with many different perspectives and viewpoints! We can learn from eachother, adapt the way we do things. I hope Shane would say, “this is how I’m doing things, you don’t have to do it in the exact same way, but I hope the spirit of what we’re doing at ‘A Simple Way’ is a model for your ministry.”

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 says this:

For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, that I might win the more. And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, though not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Somehow I feel that Shane fits a certain mold and isn’t one to break that mold. Could Shane walk a mile in a soldier’s shoes? Could he walk a mile in a politician’s shoes? More importantly, would he be willing to change some of his views after walking a mile in those shoes?

The overall message that I got from Shane was a very important one. Our loyalties first and foremost go to God, and I totally agree with that. I think where Shane and I may differ is how to be “in the world, but not of the world” (Romans 12:2). And I appreciate Shane and the questions and dialogue he brings, because it’s important for us to ask questions, to have this type of conversation.

Links
Jesus for President (Official Site)
The Simple Way
The Psalters (Band who is touring with Shane)
IndyChristian.com - Jesus For President…

10 Comments

aaron
Jun 25, 2008 at 10:32 am

Great post and summary of the gathering. Appreciate you including the Frederick Douglas quote too. Very powerful words.


 
kirby
Jun 25, 2008 at 11:08 am

i like you summary….i’m just worried that perhaps people that listen won’t digest the words like you have. it is a very powerful thing to have a platform in this time of change, there were many people of a very impressional age in Shane’s audience. i pray that they won’t absorb like a sponge, but process the information and benefit by learning about different view points.


 
Kiel
Jun 25, 2008 at 12:18 pm

I totally agree Kirby. To keep the post short, I didn’t go much more in-depth. But many link Shane to the post-modern movement, which I like to make jokes about because I have a pastor who reads Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, Shane Claiborne and others.

I’m glad that these guys are expressing their views, but I hope that people are asking questions and knowing that just because “I read it in a book,” doesn’t make it true.

Just like a sponge absorbs water, the sponge can be twisted and the water dripped out. So even if people absorbed what Shane was saying, maybe they can hold onto the truths they heard and be discerning on the rest. :)

But it’s good to see how people are viewing Christianity, government, and socio-economic issues… which Shane does voice his opinion on. :)


 
Jamie Moffett
Jun 25, 2008 at 1:04 pm

Glad you enjoyed the J4P event last night. We’ll be following the tour in preparation for the upcoming feature documentary “The Ordinary Radicals”, in theaters September 4th. We shot a three camera shoot of last night’s event and will be posting nuggets from that and other shows along the way both at theordinaryradicals.com/blog and at jesusforpresident.org/blog

See ya!
~jamie
director
The Ordinary Radicals


 
Andrew
Jun 25, 2008 at 5:49 pm

“I’m glad that these guys are expressing their views, but I hope that people are asking questions and knowing that just because ‘I read it in a book,’ doesn’t make it true.”

If only people would realize the same thing about the compilation of writings in the bible. I would go farther than Shane and call into question bibliolatry, not just materialism, nationalism, and individualism.


 
Kiel
Jun 25, 2008 at 6:23 pm

I’d agree with you to a point Andrew. The difference between the Bible and a book bought in the bookstore is that the Bible is believed to be the divinely inspired Word of God.

I don’t like how Christians have turned into Pharisees by using Bible verses to judge people. At the same time, I don’t want to diminish it’s very importance.

I mean, how would I know of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if I hadn’t read it in the Bible? Some people claim they can have a relationship with God without having read the Bible… but that merely makes someone a deist… believing in a God they created in their own head.

But that’s a discussion for another time. But I totally agree, I hate bibolatry.


 
kebelle
Jul 3, 2008 at 2:28 am

I have an open letter to Jesus as President. Here’s the link http://spirituality-page.blogspot.com/2008/07/jesus-for-president-open-letter.html

I hope this letter helps…


 
Joanna
Jul 30, 2008 at 7:36 am

Well, I’m late to the game, but I was at the Indy Jesus for President event too. I got some pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/JoshAndJoanna/JesusForPresident I came into the event the same way- having read Irresistible Revolution but not Jesus for President. I found the whole presentation really interesting, & creative. I agree with your observations. It left me with a lot to think about.

It’s great to find another Grace blogger!


 
christian
Aug 25, 2008 at 4:21 am

Let me begin by saying that i really like your site kiel.graceconnect.net a lot
now.. back to the post lol
I cant say that i agree with what you typed up… care to explain more?


 
Kiel
Aug 25, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Christian, if you can tell me what you don’t agree with, I can discuss it with you.


 

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